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Fledz
Banned
Registered: Sep 2006
Location: London UK
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quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Maybe not, but you do need to do the second thing I mentioned ("painting a false portrait of myself as a "go-getter" who's eager to "advance in my career" or whatever"). Although certainly for some people that would not be false, I think that for most it is.
And in a way, that is actually just another, less direct version of kiss-assery. The "go-getter" portrait could be translated without loss into something like "Your company is so cool and exciting that I would love to work for it!" Even if all the applicant really cares about is getting a decent salary in a work environment that's not terribly annoying. | Once again, no you don't. I work for a purpose and I do what they want me to do. If management is at a point where they can't criticise you, well then you're doing great.
I'm hired to do a job, I do it, and I do it well. I don't need to go around shoving it in peoples faces because the results speak for themselves and the important people are the ones who notice the results.
Most successful people work this way and they get to positions without pissing others off. Other people do what you're saying and eventually get to a point where everyone hates them, their network sucks and they are stuck in middle management, if that. Game over.
Incidentally, exactly the type of people I keep the fuck away from because they are cancerous.
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Oct-31-2010 10:53
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EgosXII
Aphorism
Registered: Apr 2007
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quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
^^^Sorry, got you now. Read on...
An interview is an exercise in selling yourself. You are the product and the salesman so make yourself look like the best product they can buy.
When I go into an interview, I know that I want them to give me the job first, then I'll worry about actually getting the job done. If you don't get an opportunity to show your skills, then it's pointless.
If I feel I'm not appropriate for the job, then I don't go for it.
We all know an interview is a big ball of bullshit. You know that and the interviewer does too. Just get on with it. |
he's saying he wouldn't pass it because he can't sell himself though, because he's uncapable of putting aside his view of himself in order to 'pretend' he would be a good candidate...
it's a self esteem issue, and an issue with dealing with life
quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
The two aren't mutually exclusive, i.e. what I do not want to do is be dishonest.
Well, I'm not talking about "brutal" honesty or being a social boor. I don't go around telling everybody absolutely everything I think of them.
I'm talking about the basics: things like truthfully reporting attitudes or opinions when asked about them. These things are precluded by the interview process, at least in my case. |
yeah i realise that, but there's a line between honesty and dis- in any circumstance man. I was obviously taking it to the extreme, BUT it stands that you don't have to flat out lie, and you don't have to flat out tell everyone your dumb, because you're not (again, extremes )
it's about levels: You can be honest and not be negative, and you should be able to be enough of an adult to handle yourself differently in different contexts.
thats all it comes down to: If you're telling me there's not some angle which would make you a good candidate for whatever job, then you're being silly.
Focus on the positive sides of yourself, thereby telling the entire truth, AND telling them what they want to hear.
your 'honesty' doesn't have to be negative, and it doesn't have to be self-sacrificing.
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Oct-31-2010 11:18
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