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Rodri Santos
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Registered: Sep 2009
Location: Milan

About the mainstage dutch house:

First of all i see a phrasing issue here, that breakdown should start around the 1 minute mark to match the 64 bars most dutch house djs follow as it is can work if you know in advance that have to press play at 32 but it's better to follow the standards.

Then i don't like the sound design this is probably because i don't like the electroish leads but what i am sure is that they have to be more powerful, add some release and layer it with something like this:



Check the drop at ~3:00 i am not sure how that is done i think it's a hard sidechain with some predelay but that could add some body to your stabs.

Percussion is fine don't touch it and breakdowns work.

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And now i've added some changes following your advice making the track more fitting to techno standards.

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Richard Butler
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Registered: Apr 2009
Location: London

Sorry to post another so soon but I wanna finish this one as I'm in the mood for it right now and don't want to let the motivation slip by.

Where would you take this track after this? Go to just bass n drums or what?

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tehlord
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Registered: Jan 2009
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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Butler
Sorry to post another so soon but I wanna finish this one as I'm in the mood for it right now and don't want to let the motivation slip by.

Where would you take this track after this? Go to just bass n drums or what?





That's beggin' for some dubstep. Really.


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Evolve140
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Cool, but no low end... no bass here.

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itsamemario
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Registered: Jun 2001
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Hey guys, could you please post "examples to what you should try to do" as links, and not embeds, as they're making this page slooow as hell to load when yur not on noob 8 ppp view.


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Trancelover03591
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Registered: Feb 2011
Location: Southern California

quote:
Originally posted by Rodri Santos
About the mainstage dutch house:

First of all i see a phrasing issue here, that breakdown should start around the 1 minute mark to match the 64 bars most dutch house djs follow as it is can work if you know in advance that have to press play at 32 but it's better to follow the standards.

Then i don't like the sound design this is probably because i don't like the electroish leads but what i am sure is that they have to be more powerful, add some release and layer it with something like this:



Check the drop at ~3:00 i am not sure how that is done i think it's a hard sidechain with some predelay but that could add some body to your stabs.

Percussion is fine don't touch it and breakdowns work.

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And now i've added some changes following your advice making the track more fitting to techno standards.




Hey, thanks for the advice. The song you posted is a little more progressive and trancey than what I am trying to make right now, but I agree 1 minute is a standard intro for an original mix in most EDM (I was trying for more of a radio edit.) Anyway, the track I posted wasn't working so I moved on.

As for your track, I think if you use some good techno reference tracks, you can finish that one off. The sub maybe a little too loud, and I think the song needs a little more drive and focus. I see it as an opening DJ type techno song in Ibiza in summer or something. I like the parts at 2:17-2:30 and from 3:00 - 3:30.


quote:
Originally posted by Richard Butler
Sorry to post another so soon but I wanna finish this one as I'm in the mood for it right now and don't want to let the motivation slip by.

Where would you take this track after this? Go to just bass n drums or what?



I am seeing an original style develop with your tracks. They seem to have a distinctiveness to them. Your stuff kind of reminds me of Underworld or Hybrid or something, that is less club or festival oriented and more album or mix CD friendly.


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DJ RANN
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Hollywood....

quote:
Originally posted by itsamemario
Hey guys, could you please post "examples to what you should try to do" as links, and not embeds, as they're making this page slooow as hell to load when yur not on noob 8 ppp view.


How about ditching the dial up connection? It's like being forced to sit through basic arrhythmic in your Quantum Mathematics class just just to accommodate the one retard in the room

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Richard Butler
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Registered: Apr 2009
Location: London

quote:
Originally posted by Trancelover03591


I am seeing an original style develop with your tracks. They seem to have a distinctiveness to them. Your stuff kind of reminds me of Underworld or Hybrid or something, that is less club or festival oriented and more album or mix CD friendly.



What would you suggest honestly to get this more club / festival freindly? This will seem like a lame ass question for some.

I was thinking some of the synth parts should be stuttered and mangled and what not, and maybe a more agressive edited the shit of it bass?

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Trancelover03591
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Registered: Feb 2011
Location: Southern California

A longer build up and less melodic drop, if you are going for club friendly. I think a lot of people would like the style you are making though, especially as you perfect it. I understand wanting to make mainstream EDM though, I am trying to develop that style as well.

I think a lot of the best advice comes from those who are most successful doing something (right now I can only relay tips I have heard from more experienced producers). There is some good advice about making popular music in this video:


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Rodri Santos
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Sep 2009
Location: Milan

i was about to burn you for heretics... posting a Guetta video in production studio... but i've found it interesting and worthy- Has surprised to me that i know 90% of what he says and that i expected him to know less honestly... the 175hz mono idea is what is new for me mostly and the end of the video when he talks about creating an effect with feelings/hard bass.

Expected something different as this doesn't really give you any help to produce commercial music, the only things i've extracted from it in this matter are:

1.-Use short kicks/slow sidechain
2.-Make it loud for commercial music, i am sure you also like loudness on club tracks so won't blame him here.
3.- A commercial track must have at least a melody breakdown and a huge drop with some silence previously to create contrast.

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Beatflux
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Registered: Mar 2006
Location: Planet Alf

quote:
Originally posted by Rodri Santos
About the mainstage dutch house:

First of all i see a phrasing issue here, that breakdown should start around the 1 minute mark to match the 64 bars most dutch house djs follow as it is can work if you know in advance that have to press play at 32 but it's better to follow the standards.

Then i don't like the sound design this is probably because i don't like the electroish leads but what i am sure is that they have to be more powerful, add some release and layer it with something like this:



Check the drop at ~3:00 i am not sure how that is done i think it's a hard sidechain with some predelay but that could add some body to your stabs.

Percussion is fine don't touch it and breakdowns work.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

And now i've added some changes following your advice making the track more fitting to techno standards.



It sounds very strange to me to just reduce the volume of the lead without anything else to take its place.

When you have your breakdown and you go back to the original lead, i would say take out the hi percs so it sounds more like a break down. The final drop doesn't really hit like a drop.


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Rodri Santos
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Registered: Sep 2009
Location: Milan

THanks for posting,the volume drop on the lead is unintended i don't know what has happened when exporting... when it comes back is quieter than it should too...

Apart from this the breakdown has a filter on one of the longer hi hats it's a standard techno breakdown, normally the hi hats continue during the breakdown is a form of creating contrast between sections but keep people tapping their foot.

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