Yeah do a thread, I love to see equipment in bits. My 1210s are mk2s I've had to replace the earth wires on both of them cause, get this, my cat chewed through them!

Im not sure I fancy a digital vinyl system, I've decided it'll be CDJs of some variety.

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Originally posted by henke Yeah do a thread, I love to see equipment in bits. My 1210s are mk2s I've had to replace the earth wires on both of them cause, get this, my cat chewed through them! Im not sure I fancy a digital vinyl system, I've decided it'll be CDJs of some variety.

Honestly, mate - I was a total Luddite on this subject, but DVS is really the best way to go....

Over the last 12 or so years, CDJ models have established a lifespan of less than 3 years before they are made obsolete by a newer one. I'm not one to always keep up, but pioneer's business model is to hold back features for new models, and the only way they make money is by making people upgrade to the latest one.

They quite literally could have put out 1/3 of the models they have over the last decade, and just waited a little between releases to put features that would be ready in say 6 months.

Look at the list CDJ models they put out since 2001:

1 CDJ-200
2 CDJ-400
3 CDJ-500
3.1 CDJ-500II
3.2 CDJ-500S
4 CDJ-800
4.1 CDJ 800 mk2
5 CDJ-850
5.1 CDJ 850 mk2
6 CDJ-900
6.1 CDJ-900NXS Update
7 CDJ-1000
7.1 Updated version
7.1.1 CDJ-1000MK2
7.1.2 CDJ-1000MK3
8 CDJ-100S
9 CDJ-2000
10 CMX-3000
11 CMX-5000
12 MEP-7000
13 DMP-555
14 DVJ-X1
15 DVJ-1000

That's fucking bonkers.

And bear in mind many of those final revision versions like the 800 mk2, the 1000 mk3 (etc) were replaced less than a year after launch by other models like the 850 and 900/2000.

You have to be made right now to buy a CDJ when a DVS does everything you need any the only part that need upgrading is the software.

Also, a pair of CDJ 850's or 900's will set you back £1500 new.

The top of the line Serato box (SL4) is £600.

Your techs will last you another 30 years, don;t waste you money on kit you don't need and won't last.

Lol, just now, some bloke has posted up an ad in this forum to sell his 1000's. Apparently he bought them in 2011 and is now selling the pair for $1000....

........and just 3 years ago you wouldn't have got change from $3000 new. They're great decks, but that is horrific depreciation.

The one real problem I have with DVS is that most clubs are simply not geared up for it, for home use, its great.

The majority of clubs I play do not have vinyl decks so if you only play on vinyl or DVS you either have to take all your own equipment and set up hours before you play, if you are sharing a night with other DJs its likely they will be using the already in place CDJs so where do you put your decks.. or simply not play.

Some clubs wont even let you use your own equipment no matter what, I had one club refuse me plugging my laptop into their CDJ 900s so I could use Traktor (Luckily enough I had also brought CDs so I could still play a set)

Another club I played insisted on virus checking my keydrives and memory sticks before allowing me to plug them into their CDJs, they said they was worried about a virus spreading across their club as all their CDJs in 2 different booths were networked to a main server which held all their music files on
(I have never heard of a case where a virus has been spread via a CDJ to a network)

The new technology available to DJs now is amazing, it can enhance the experience for both DJ and audience alike but with no industry standard, its still a minefield in what technology to buy.

At least when we all played vinyl, the only thing you had a problem with is choosing what vinyls to put in your bag and carrying the bloody bag to the club

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This is gonna sound mental but I take it DVS systems have came on a long way from Final Scratch? As that's what I remember from about 12 years ago.

I'm not that fussed about what clubs are using. As a DJ I was never much better than mediocre and the only journey my set up will be making is from the spare room to the kitchen when friends come over to get pissed. 😄

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Honestly, mate - I was a total Luddite on this subject, but DVS is really the best way to go.... Over the last 12 or so years, CDJ models have established a lifespan of less than 3 years before they are made obsolete by a newer one. I'm not one to always keep up, but pioneer's business model is to hold back features for new models, and the only way they make money is by making people upgrade to the latest one. They quite literally could have put out 1/3 of the models they have over the last decade, and just waited a little between releases to put features that would be ready in say 6 months. Look at the list CDJ models they put out since 2001: 1 CDJ-200 2 CDJ-400 3 CDJ-500 3.1 CDJ-500II 3.2 CDJ-500S 4 CDJ-800 4.1 CDJ 800 mk2 5 CDJ-850 5.1 CDJ 850 mk2 6 CDJ-900 6.1 CDJ-900NXS Update 7 CDJ-1000 7.1 Updated version 7.1.1 CDJ-1000MK2 7.1.2 CDJ-1000MK3 8 CDJ-100S 9 CDJ-2000 10 CMX-3000 11 CMX-5000 12 MEP-7000 13 DMP-555 14 DVJ-X1 15 DVJ-1000 That's fucking bonkers. And bear in mind many of those final revision versions like the 800 mk2, the 1000 mk3 (etc) were replaced less than a year after launch by other models like the 850 and 900/2000. You have to be made right now to buy a CDJ when a DVS does everything you need any the only part that need upgrading is the software. Also, a pair of CDJ 850's or 900's will set you back £1500 new. The top of the line Serato box (SL4) is £600. Your techs will last you another 30 years, don;t waste you money on kit you don't need and won't last.

Not that I have any reason to doubt you, but are you sure the 800 mk2 was out for less than a year until the 850 came out? I have 800mk2 and I could have sworn they were out for over a year before the next go around. Again, I could be completely wrong!

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Originally posted by DJ Sarah H The one real problem I have with DVS is that most clubs are simply not geared up for it, for home use, its great. The majority of clubs I play do not have vinyl decks so if you only play on vinyl or DVS you either have to take all your own equipment and set up hours before you play, if you are sharing a night with other DJs its likely they will be using the already in place CDJs so where do you put your decks.. or simply not play. Some clubs wont even let you use your own equipment no matter what, I had one club refuse me plugging my laptop into their CDJ 900s so I could use Traktor (Luckily enough I had also brought CDs so I could still play a set) Another club I played insisted on virus checking my keydrives and memory sticks before allowing me to plug them into their CDJs, they said they was worried about a virus spreading across their club as all their CDJs in 2 different booths were networked to a main server which held all their music files on (I have never heard of a case where a virus has been spread via a CDJ to a network) The new technology available to DJs now is amazing, it can enhance the experience for both DJ and audience alike but with no industry standard, its still a minefield in what technology to buy. At least when we all played vinyl, the only thing you had a problem with is choosing what vinyls to put in your bag and carrying the bloody bag to the club

Wow, that thing about the club wanting to virus scan you drives is utter nonsense. There's no way a virus could somehow migrate from the USB thumb drive on a CDJ to their server, and I seriously doubt russian hackers are programming for this lol.

I don't really know any clubs these days that don't allow you to plug in your laptops and a serato/tracktor box as most resident DJ's in clubs need massive libraries and DVS just make so much more sense in terms of having your whole library available.

Maybe it's different here in the states, but the last time I actually saw a DJ/club not using a DVS was back in 2009 (Sharam - CD's and had a guy whose sole purpose was just handing which one to insert next). Literally everywhere. All the big DJ's roll up with DVS. Sure I've seen some just prefer to use the USB but any DVS DJ should bring a couple of duplicated Thumbdrives just in case some twat decides to give your laptop a pint mid set.

I can'r really understand those that have a problem plugging in your soundcard/laptop. It takes all of 5 mins and meanwhile you can just play a track off the thumbdrives/CD until you're up. Really not hard. On my mixer at home I can switch from my CDJ's to a DVS setup while tracks are playing in under 5 mins. To be honest any club that doesn't allow it, simply doesn't know what they're doing. you just ask the S&L guy nicely before you go to the club. Really, it's 4 cables to plug in.

If they only have CDJ's then just shove the timcode CD's in, plug the box in and away you go. I get that some clubs don't want DJ Muppet touching their connections, but again, most legit clubs with any type of even semi-pro installation should have a patch panel which is half normalled meaning it only interrupts the signal when you plug something in to it.

@Henke - yes, it's come a long way. FS was crap - got to somewhere like Digital Village or a local DJ store and try out serato. I was always one who railed against Laptop DJ setups but honestly, it's the best of both worlds; tactile feel of technics (and you know nothing comes close) combined with the freedom of digital tracks. Win Win.

now if only the PLX-1000 had a usb thumb drive and somehow made a miniature LCD screen that shows track info and hmm ok colored waveform would be a plus if it fits plus USB HID function as well.

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Originally posted by Innocence Lost now if only the PLX-1000 had a usb thumb drive and somehow made a miniature LCD screen that shows track info and hmm ok colored waveform would be a plus if it fits plus USB HID function as well.

To be honest, I've been looking in to small NUC type computers that I could house a small screeen in and would have USB capability. You would then just use that to run serato/traktor and plug either your Techs or CDJ's in to and plug a thumb drive in it.

You could then just do a traktor / serato skin to make it conducive to a small screen and away you go.