|Originally posted by John 00 Fleming |
Apologies DJ Rann (I like how auto correct turns this to DJ Rant) , we must be very close friends that speak every week as you are talking on my behalf, but I donít recall ever speaking to you once?
Let me refresh your memory of when I was resident at the legendary Zap club in Brighton for 8 years (1500 capacity) with Techno legends Dave Clarke and Eric Powell. At the same time resident at Sterns in Sussex (3000 capacity) and The Manor in Bournemouth (2500 capacity). In fact I held a handful of residencies at the same time, Bagleyís films studios every Friday in London (4000 capacity), Sunny side up at SW1 London (1800 Capacity), World dance club Angel London (1000), Colosseum London (2500), when signed to React records was resident weekly at their Wildlife nights each week at the legendary Heaven London (2500), then every other weekend at Trade Turnmills, London (1800 Capacity), Return to the source, Peach, Camden Palace and the list is endless.
I donít ever recall playing at dingy squat parties in London, because I didnít have time. That was probably due to my career expanding when the legendary Golden club made me resident in the Midlands, the same promoter ran Cream in Liverpool, so I was there once a month. Same story at Gatecrasher. Oh lets not forget my long residency at Gods Kitchen, I also compiled and mixed all their mix compilations, but never put my name to them.
International was same story, resident for Spundae at 1015 San Francisco and LA (club now called Avalon), and every month at Government Toronto (9,000 capacity). The list goes on.
That was probably something to do with me selling over 10 million mix compilations?
Yes I made this tone sarcastic, only to highlight that most of you here are second guessing whats going on and creating the now famous term fake news. Instead of contributing and rebuilding the Trance scene, you are contributing to the demise of the genre by being keyboard warriors and policing this forum and pointing the finger of blame. I personally know a handful of legendary producers that have given up due to forums like this because they couldnít handle all the fake stuff going on. So thereís your contribution to the scene right there. Somehow Iíve learned to hardened up to it.
Armin isnít responsible for fixing the scene, we all are. But it canít be done by armchair forum police puling people down. Iíve been so close to leaving Trance many times because of this, it's a horrible eviroment especially here and why no DJs come here anymore and its slowly becoming a ghost town.
Trance is currently very healthy and growing in size, theres a massive underground scene thriving you just need to find it, Iíve been investing a lot of time meetings with Beatport, DJ mag, festival promoters, producers and they all identify this too and are looking to support it.
If you spent time researching, instead of being lost in your own bubble here, youíll all find it and contribute and enjoying. But your negativityís has created this lonely ghost town, a quick read through topics only highlights none of you see what we are seeing, hence why you are disconnected with realityÖjust like DJ Rann was with my history.
Finally for the record. Iíve been very good friends with Armin for well over 20 years. Its not suddenly a new thing. Same story with many other DJs from various genres.
John, unlike some others on here I've always had a firm respect for you - I don't have the same opinion as say Jack who thinks you've been banging on out about the resurgence of trance for the last 10 years like a broken record for self serving purposes, nor made claims that you just get to a club and just "bang it out"
Frankly speaking, I don't listen to a huge amount of trance these days becuase it's utter shit compared to what I experienced growing up in London in the mid 90's where you were playing smaller venues. So you'll have to excuse me if I have a little reservations about people like Armin, that I saw play quite brilliant music music in 1997 compared the to utter dross he churns out now for financial gain.
I get it. You have to stand up for him becuase you're leveraged now, I understand how both the industry and PR works -I worked my way up from selling kit to yuo and your mates at Turnkey then working with studios such as Air Studios and Abbey Road to work a very well known composer here in LA, so despite your childish digs (which frankly should be beneath you for what you've achieved) I'm not some armchair pundit spending all my time on TA "trying to bring people down"
I'll also say that guys who quit the industry becuase they didn't like what was said on here or other forums, it's probably just as well they did a got a nice cubicle job somewhere, becuase any industry that involved the capitalization of art, especially music, has a ton of detractors, are hard slog to success and requires an incredibly thick skin. Sounds harsh but the poor diddums didn't have a chance in the first place.
These days I work with a lot of A list/celeb talent and you can't even imagine the shit that gets put out there for no reason other than someone's derange personal hate, and if again, if someone can't handle a little criticism - warranted or unwarranted - they shouldn't be attempting to be an artist
Also, it's great to hear you CV (however unnecessary it was to post it) but are you actually suggesting with a straight face that you went from nothing, to packing out Avalon LA (just up the road from where I love now) without playing smaller clubs?
Bear in mind I might still have the flyers where you're playing alongside such notables as Skol and Roosta (remember them?).
Raves at Bagleys was one of the first events I ever went to and I used to live on Camden High street so saw you play at Sunnyside (and probably peach too) more times that I can remember, but that was later. I'm talking about the clubs you played circa 1995/1996 and those weren't the zap, cream or godskitchen.
I think you missed the point here though; I'm saying I remember you playing small venues where DJ names weren't a big pull (the event itself was) so you should realize that my post was actually response to jacks, that he was saying you had said that venues like Turnmills were unmarked DJ booths where the DJ didn't get any attention.... which from my 50 or so memories of the Gallery or Trade was far from the truth, especially so as if you were already playing the Newman family venue, you'd already had a serious position of stature and it wasn't some random playing in a "hidden booth" etc.
You'll note I didn't make any comments on what you;re actually playing these days - that was all other people, my observation is that there's very few people who stuck to a deeper sound such as yourself and due to that you inherited a unique position in this day and sure.
Sure Trance might be growing but there's not a single regular trance night here in LA right now and SF's last just closed. Things are cyclical, things come and go, but when I moved here in 2007 I had at least 3 or 4 trance/prog nights at big clubs to choose from (Avalon, Vanuagurd, Ivar, etc) and now there's none. It might be growing elsewhere, maybe Europe, but it's no so much here in the USA and believe me, I've looked.
So you're right, I may be a little disconnected becuase the scene you say is growing is actually receding in my locale, but that means we have different perspectives.
To be honest, the biggest thing you can do for the scene is what you;re doing now;
speaking directly to the people that are involved and have been invested. I mean shit, we're on a VB forum that hasn't changed in 15 years (in spite of everything social media has thrown at the internet) so it's not too much of a stretch to say we're the hardcore enthusiasts.
Some of the worst things I see with this scene is that high profile DJ's only ever engage when their names are sullied, rather than contributing positively in other time to the conversation.
I know for a fact, dozens of "big names" lurk on TA but only come out of the woodwork to correct something negative. That's shitty way to run a business or build a reputation, so I hope you stick around a little to encourage the scene a bit more. It needs it.