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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Lelystad, Netherlands

Ok, some feedback
1. very heavy on the bass, if you do some serious +EQng on the low end, turn it back a notch
2. The "wobble bass" is quite bright EQd at 20sec it becomes too bright / distorted, I would leave that a lot more neutral, then you also don't need to close the filter that far and because of that the attack stays more in the groove with the rest of the track (as that's what I understand you're trying to say?, it almost sounds reversed at certain filter setting)

Mix closer to the source, less difference between the filter open/close and it should fit a lot better.

best thing would be reset your mixer and try to mix with the filter and volume of the parts only and maybe some low cutwhere needed, but no EQ, you are abusing EQ as volume for cutting through, try without EQ and see how your faders work out differently
later in the track the wobble seems to run out of sync?


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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Lelystad, Netherlands

GREAT TRACK,

There is something not right with the dynamics though i.e. at 0.56 there is a huge volume bump half way the chorus and there are simmilar inconsistenties like these later in the track as well.

EQ wise i would have made a few different decissions: bit less 6-7kHz bit more 2.5 - 3.5 kHz area for midhigh presence. now it sounds a bit tubby with exagerated treble. not much but once you start putting that in you will hear the difference (gentle shelving)

But man oh man what a track! when going the extra mile this is BBC ready material.

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I want to now send this out, I've done a lot of frilly bits to really give it a final boost. Only home mastering though.

I played in a little classical riff hope that's allowed as its real old?

Any last critiques?


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Old Post Jul-05-2015 19:00  Netherlands
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Richard Butler
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Registered: Apr 2009
Location: London

Firstly this is a very good track, love the vibe.
For me the sweet spot on the bass is at around 1.14 - 1.18. Prior to this the distortion and zizzle is eating up the track. Perhaps very gently automate the filter around that sort of freq.



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SystematicX1
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Registered: Sep 2010
Location: Las Vegas

Thanks Raphie and Richard for the replies you two.
Great ears and advice...here is another go.
I have never thought about EQ'ing twice or rather two Eq's in the same channel. I use abletons default eight but then added Iso's Eq and use the Q setting to isolate the peaks. And wow...i had no idea.
Now, some things definitely are more revealing for sure.
Wondering if that kick isn't to prominent now though.
I found out was giving that bass so many issues. Some how I had a Dynamics chain going on ::scratches head::
the instant I turned it off it remedied.


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quote:
Originally posted by SystematicX1
Thanks Raphie and Richard for the replies you two.
Great ears and advice...here is another go.
I have never thought about EQ'ing twice or rather two Eq's in the same channel. I use abletons default eight but then added Iso's Eq and use the Q setting to isolate the peaks. And wow...i had no idea.
Now, some things definitely are more revealing for sure.
Wondering if that kick isn't to prominent now though.
I found out was giving that bass so many issues. Some how I had a Dynamics chain going on ::scratches head::
the instant I turned it off it remedied.



woah whered all the bass go to ???


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SystematicX1
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Yeek!
Im hoping that comment is a good thing?
Or did I really lose alot of bass in a bad way?


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quote:
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woah whered all the bass go to ???


Agree.

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ugh....back to the bass board


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quote:
Originally posted by SystematicX1
ugh....back to the bass board


i thought the bass in the first version was ok, sorry for not commenting!


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Richard Butler
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So I've totally re-done the Luton Football Club song and as the football season is soon upon us I damned well hope this version is ok musically.

Not sure if the main synths in the drop sound modern enough?

RAPHIE this will be played over a fairly shitty football ground PA system, in terms of mastering what would you look to do as I worry it will sound crap.
Conversely it also needs to sound ok on I-phones etc, so quite a tricky mastering job eh?


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Raphie
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Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Lelystad, Netherlands

Hi Richard, I would be looking for LESS COMPRESSION
If you listen to this track on an iPhone or iPad, you feel it squeeze and wrench all the time. The dynamics of the individual components are not fully under control hence they trigger whatever you have put on the 2 bus.
Your mix should work without anything on the master as an afterthought, for example there is no energy at all after the minibreak, it sounds clamped.
I would focus on (controlling) the dynamics of the individual channels and Don't worry about fat or loud. Once the mix is right, it's much easier to raise overal volume during mastering. If the mix sounds already wrenched, it will only sound more squashed when making it louder. For loudness and dynamics. I would aim matching we are the champions from Queen. That track works fine on any stadium PA
Punch first, loudness later


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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Butler
So I've totally re-done the Luton Football Club song and as the football season is soon upon us I damned well hope this version is ok musically.

Not sure if the main synths in the drop sound modern enough?

RAPHIE this will be played over a fairly shitty football ground PA system, in terms of mastering what would you look to do as I worry it will sound crap.
Conversely it also needs to sound ok on I-phones etc, so quite a tricky mastering job eh?



melody sounds very familiar

anyway - to me theres a lot of noisy stuff in the mix which is clouding it up, try and keep it a bit more stripped for a large PA so it comes across clean - make the lead sounds the priority so they stand out, you want it to get into peoples heads


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