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theterran
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quote:
Originally posted by chris marsh
its a really nice tune, music is great, wet fx great, arrangement great

my initial impression is that it just doesn't have enough "omph" for a finished track

clap isn't powerful/loud enough for me

also i find the hats/tops percussion not cutting enough/ loud enough. i just feel like the whole frequency spectrum is not as full as it could be

once my ears get used to it it sounds fine, but its the initial impression that counts in a way. id recommend referencing similar professional tracks when mixing down

IMO IMO


Cheers, and appreciate the feedback.

And I definitely reference professional tracks, alot. However, I don't like all professional mixes. Moreover, I accept, and roll with a more antiquated sound. Many tracks from the late 90's early 2000's time period aren't great for modern reference material.

Here's something a little more recent though https://youtu.be/Xl9lQonO_RQ?t=119

Clap is tucked into the mix neatly. Just loud enough to hold the beat, not loud enough to start being obnoxious. Nice, tight clap.

That and many modern mixes are squashed into a brick...I tend to use only a couple layers of light compression to balance and control the sound, so people used to the brick might not like my mixing style. But I don't care, I prefer dynamic range and using my volume knob.

Gonna be hard to gauge the translation without knowing what you listened with, etc...Might be able to analyze the hats a bit better knowing this.

Though, listening to "rough as fuck", I'm finding the opposite occurring for me. When I turn up your mix to listening levels, the high-end sounds harsh and makes my ears ring, also sounds overly compressed...*shrug* Do like the tune though. DnB is 2nd on my list of genres I like most. A bit dark and aggressive. Could use a bit more going on though. Gl with it.

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chris marsh
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Cheers. Yes the mix is rough and horrible atm and will need a lot of work in fact im sure the master was clipping. Mostly trying to sort out arrangement and making sounds now

While it's great to reference an old sound (i certainly do that too) i feel it's ideal for mixes to compete with more modern material, but that's just imo

I also find it very helpful to reference with a frequency anslyser too When mixing down. Do you fo that too?


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theterran
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quote:
Originally posted by chris marsh
Cheers. Yes the mix is rough and horrible atm and will need a lot of work in fact im sure the master was clipping. Mostly trying to sort out arrangement and making sounds now

While it's great to reference an old sound (i certainly do that too) i feel it's ideal for mixes to compete with more modern material, but that's just imo

I also find it very helpful to reference with a frequency anslyser too When mixing down. Do you fo that too?


Np, wasn't doggin' the mix persay...Only trying to gauge where you were coming from on your feedback. The hardest part of receiving feedback is not knowing the other persons listening environment and mixing tendencies. I've seen mix criticism go either way on the same track before. One guy like, omg too much bass, other dude like, omg not enough bass... So yeah.

My goal would be to take the old-school style of mixing with bigger dynamic range, and bring it into the modern format. Cleaner, sparklier, better...but with dynamics.

Anyway yeah, I actually make pretty liberal use of the frequency analyzer at times, especially for low-end. Still doesn't tell ya everything that's goin' on though...

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SystematicX1
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quote:
Originally posted by chris marsh
this is still rough as fuck and i know the mix is all over the place and needs loads of work but i like where it is going as a work in progress

doing this kind of music is challenging for me but definitely a direction i want to go in



Ok...Chris, dig this dood but the other comments are correct. Imo the percussion is fine, there is enough snap there to keep some highs however you could bring that ride down a bit as it is sharp
I see what you are doing with that sub bass which is good but the reese needs to come out more with it, instead of treating it like a true mid, bring some lower frequency out and blend it with the sub (which needs to come down in order to make it fit).
As you said, you know it is a rough mix but imo It sounds pretty good and will sound better once you tighten it up.
Has a very Spor sound to it with the backing atmosphere tones. I want to hear this one finished man!

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One of my goals for 2018 is to break out 6 old tracks that were never finished. Lofty goal since a lot of these are two years or older. Pulled this one as I always dug it.
Pre mix and still needs some work but it is getting there.
Any things that stand out I should pay attention to?


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quote:
Originally posted by theterran
There, pretty much done with this one.

Even went the whole 9 and upped to youtube for that 192 kbps bitrate.



Cleaned up some artifacts at the very start.

Did some nuancy stuff and synth balancing.

Played with more of the FX noises that come in and out...

Too late now, but if I struggle with bass presets in the future I'm building my own from init. Too used to this bass sound now to switch. Loses power at A#3 @50hz for some reason...just the nature of this bass(es). Did the best I could with some fine frequency tuning, delay / sustain adjustment and more work with the compressor and eq.

Programmed my own 3-layer white noise to mesh in with the whoosh FX I used. I liked the woosh, but I wanted more control. Hopefully I got close enough where it's not distracting.

Added more oomph to downlifter.

Played around with the pads more after the 1st break. Should have a little more going on, but overall I'm keeping the 2nd build-up the way it is. I compensated for the lack of instruments going into the 2nd build-up by hitting the main theme softer, and building up more into the peak before the 2nd break-down.

Added a light array of processing to the master bus.

Multiband Comp. -> Light EQ. -> Vintage tape warmer -> Limiter

Sits at around 6-8 db dynamic range, and I feel like I can turn it up pretty loud before it begins to distort.

Overall I think it turned out alright. I like it at least .


its nice i guess, like for an end of set or something, my problem with it is that the kick isnt coming through enough to drive, only listening on my headphones but i suspect too much sub


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quote:
Originally posted by chris marsh
this is still rough as fuck and i know the mix is all over the place and needs loads of work but i like where it is going as a work in progress

doing this kind of music is challenging for me but definitely a direction i want to go in



kick is very plasticky or poppy im not sure it suits the style of the track?


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chris marsh
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quote:
Originally posted by theterran
Np, wasn't doggin' the mix persay...Only trying to gauge where you were coming from on your feedback.


well definitely don't do that by listening to this WIP. i have some finished/mixed tracks in my signature that would be better for that

with the highs. here is a snapshot of your track https://ibb.co/bwZKGm

and the one you posted for reference: https://ibb.co/hNEfNR

so yours is a little dull in the highs by comparison

also agree with EVO on the kick

all the best


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chris marsh
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quote:
Originally posted by evo8
kick is very plasticky or poppy im not sure it suits the style of the track?


thanks. can you elaborate on what you mean a bit? i quite liked the kick maybe its something that can be fixed when mixing? was trying to get it to sit nicely around 100 hz so room for sub underneath

Ill try out some different kicks maybe its not right

@SystematicX1 thanks mate it does need a lot of work. im struggling with this one, still finding it hard to get jsut a couple of elements working well on there own without much music (ie this type of drum and bass)

spent a ridiculous amount of time on it already feel like chucking it but i guess its worth persisting

will return the favour later on your WIP


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quote:
Originally posted by chris marsh
this is still rough as fuck and i know the mix is all over the place and needs loads of work but i like where it is going as a work in progress

doing this kind of music is challenging for me but definitely a direction i want to go in



Quite interesting work man and believe with some tweaking to your kick (a specially to low end to have more punch in it) it could grow to something pretty cool chris.

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quote:
Originally posted by SystematicX1

One of my goals for 2018 is to break out 6 old tracks that were never finished. Lofty goal since a lot of these are two years or older. Pulled this one as I always dug it.
Pre mix and still needs some work but it is getting there.
Any things that stand out I should pay attention to?



Well, melodic theme is quite sweet man and is on my liking site but at least at this moment this track is lacking energy and driving vibe - if you ask me why or what is missing I would say that at some point you could bring different drums pattern (like at Trance) with supporting energetic bass line

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What is your first impression after this short WIP:



Thank guys,

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theterran
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quote:
Originally posted by chris marsh
with the highs. here is a snapshot of your track https://ibb.co/bwZKGm

and the one you posted for reference: https://ibb.co/hNEfNR

so yours is a little dull in the highs by comparison


That is indeed how I've mixed it. It's been something I've been experimenting with...on more recent mixes. Noticed on well balanced tracks that, to me, sound great at lower volumes, but sound very harsh around 70-84 spl. So I did a bit of dipping and rolling off on some of the resonance peaks 5khz ->. I wanted a mix that sounds smooth at high volume.

*shrug*

Also, I preferred "Catch You" the best mix-wise from your listed stuff. I understand not judging a wip, but the state one's current ears are in matters ye?

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