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chris marsh
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quote:
Originally posted by MSZ


I'd like to confirm my suspicions.
-the bass is dissonant(especially the first note) when I listen on my speakers, but not so much through headphones, does it irk you? I tried to pitch it around it doesnt seem to be helping which would require resynthesis and restructure whichim not really down for.
I need to cut the bass at some point, also lazy.

watch out, overall this piece is too loud, its killing the dynamics, I dont wanna fuck with that either right now, its going to take a lot of balancing out. I had it more mellow before but now I fear there is too much distortion emanating to kill the form.



i really like the evolving pluck, the off kilter timing and automated delays sound great

with the bass, correct me if im wrong but that first note (an A i think) is below the notes that i would usually use for a bass. the lowest im i might usually use is around a D sharp 0 - below that just ends to sound wooly/lacking in clarity. i think the reason for this may be that you cant actually hear the sub frequencies at this pitch (on my headphones or speakers anyway) so most likely the ear only picks up the upper harmonics

so i think thats reason why your low notes sound dissonant like that, just a bit too low. then an A the octave above may not be "suby" enough for you. you could always transpose the whole piece down to F, then youd have a nice frequency for your sub on chord 1

i think you could do better with the bass and it might be worth totally redoing it, as the rest of the tune is really nice imo

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chris marsh
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quote:
Originally posted by TranceLover007
Here is more develop part of my Chill/ambient track which I posted before, any thoughts?





Thanks guys,

Darek



yes dude thats really cool!

1m really liking the sub, almost like an old skool jungle bass you are going for there! the guitar bit is great id like to hear more of that!

whilst i feel the sub is hitting just the right frequencies i think its a touch too loud and needs to be more controlled.

you can do this with some heavy compression or you may want to adjust the patch, if you can get the beating between the oscillators that are detuned to somehow sync to the track

also, imo, make space for that sub. i think your other bass sound is occupying some of the same frequency range so you may want to high pass it. i think this is a big reason why the bass sounds less controlled from 1.17 onwards. EDIT Perhaps this could also be related to overall compression of the track being a little to heavy at this point?

imo nothing else should be in that sub range of around 50 hz in this track, not even the kick, if you want a big sub you should make space for it

also i think it would be good to make your sub mono in its lower frequencies, or at least narrow it down a multi band imager could be useful for this like the one in izotope ozone


anyway sounds awesome keep it up dude!

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also, thank you darek and gordon for your comments on my track, ill be putting it up for free DL at some point


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TranceLover007
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quote:
Originally posted by chris marsh
yes dude thats really cool!

1m really liking the sub, almost like an old skool jungle bass you are going for there! the guitar bit is great id like to hear more of that!

whilst i feel the sub is hitting just the right frequencies i think its a touch too loud and needs to be more controlled.

you can do this with some heavy compression or you may want to adjust the patch, if you can get the beating between the oscillators that are detuned to somehow sync to the track

also, imo, make space for that sub. i think your other bass sound is occupying some of the same frequency range so you may want to high pass it. i think this is a big reason why the bass sounds less controlled from 1.17 onwards. EDIT Perhaps this could also be related to overall compression of the track being a little to heavy at this point?

imo nothing else should be in that sub range of around 50 hz in this track, not even the kick, if you want a big sub you should make space for it

also i think it would be good to make your sub mono in its lower frequencies, or at least narrow it down a multi band imager could be useful for this like the one in izotope ozone


anyway sounds awesome keep it up dude!

imo as ever.


Cheers Chris for you extensive review/suggestion on my WIP man, appreciate.

As for this bass line, I purposely made it ducking or breathing a bit with little side-chain to a kick so this way I have living or floating effect going on in low freq level -> we will see the final product and I hope that you will agree with me on this Chris


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chris marsh
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quote:
Originally posted by TranceLover007
Cheers Chris for you extensive review/suggestion on my WIP man, appreciate.

As for this bass line, I purposely made it ducking or breathing a bit with little side-chain to a kick so this way I have living or floating effect going on in low freq level -> we will see the final product and I hope that you will agree with me on this Chris



no worries mate i hope it was of some use

i just imported into my sequencer for a more detailed listen. Ahh i see what you mean, the SC compression with the kick on the sub, perhaps you might want to adjust the attack and release settings a little? maybe a shorter attack and release time might work better with this bass, just to get it out the way of the kick

soloing your low end it actually sounds pretty damn tight to me, but i would stick with the suggestions of making your very low end mono, (EDIT - in fact i made your track mono from about 150 hz downwards as a test and got better readings on the phase meter, and the tune sounded tighter) and also getting that other bass sound out of the way of the sub, and high passing everything to make sure that sub has space

i watched in an in depth tutorial from an amazing DnB producer yesterday and he even high passes his sub at around 25 HZ, kick at 100 HZ (but of course the exact frequencies depend on the tune)

its got some really nice width to it, which is something i need to work on, as you rightly pointed out. what do you usually do to achieve that?

but of course its all subjective and thats just my opinion so please take it with a pinch of salt.


its a really nice tune dude! its chilled and musical but at the same time has some real balls on it!


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no worries mate i hope it was of some use

i just imported into my sequencer for a more detailed listen. Ahh i see what you mean, the SC compression with the kick on the sub, perhaps you might want to adjust the attack and release settings a little? maybe a shorter attack and release time might work better with this bass, just to get it out the way of the kick

soloing your low end it actually sounds pretty damn tight to me, but i would stick with the suggestions of making your very low end mono, (EDIT - in fact i made your track mono from about 150 hz downwards as a test and got better readings on the phase meter, and the tune sounded tighter) and also getting that other bass sound out of the way of the sub, and high passing everything to make sure that sub has space

i watched in an in depth tutorial from an amazing DnB producer yesterday and he even high passes his sub at around 25 HZ, kick at 100 HZ (but of course the exact frequencies depend on the tune)

its got some really nice width to it, which is something i need to work on, as you rightly pointed out. what do you usually do to achieve that?

but of course its all subjective and thats just my opinion so please take it with a pinch of salt.


its a really nice tune dude! its chilled and musical but at the same time has some real balls on it!



First of all Chris I really appreciate your time and suggestions man - I know that a lot of things depend on producer personal taste and his vision for his work, so some of us will try to do different things to achieve desire results - in my case I like to play with reverb, auto-pan, simply delay and stereo image to expose current or active instrument/sound. My goal is to create adequate space between all of my sounds and work on special sounds theme (like specific blend of sounds for particular vibe of the track) to get to certain melodic state for my production - if this make any sense

Please let me know if there is something specific you would like me to go through man?


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Ok so I am keeping on this one and think I may have got something with it.
Attempted to work on the over sharpness of overall tonality
Kick and Snare are "better" but still need to bring some brightness out on that snare I think
Sub is much better on this mix and better gelling than before, I think lol


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quote:
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Ok so I am keeping on this one and think I may have got something with it.
Attempted to work on the over sharpness of overall tonality
Kick and Snare are "better" but still need to bring some brightness out on that snare I think
Sub is much better on this mix and better gelling than before, I think lol



Just a quick one for you - sounds like this whole mix is on the bright side and also some of your sounds are peaking - you trying to squeeze too much juice out of your production - it is just my first impression for now man

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Just a quick one for you - sounds like this whole mix is on the bright site and also some of your sounds are picking - you trying to squeeze too much juice out of your production - it is just my first impression for now man

Darek


Hi Darek,

Cool...need this. Could you be more specific?


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quote:
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Hi Darek,

Cool...need this. Could you be more specific?


First I would ask you this question -> What do you have on master channel?

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First I would ask you this question -> What do you have on master channel?

Darek


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Sorry for some spelling issues man in previous post lol - Yeah, I'm going to ask you why are you using Saturator on master channel, also you are squashing your sound a bit too much by this compressor and in this case you may have to control levels and EQ in individual channels rather then master channel to create some space between different sounds.

You can use spectrum analyzer to nicely balance your EQ (in individual channels) - everything depends on number of instruments you are using and how you going to layer them.

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