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starwolf5064
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Hi I am fairly new to making trance music using Fl Studio and I only been doing this for 3 weeks, but I have studied music theory for 10 years for guitar so I know my away around when it comes to notes. But... I am curious to what are good ways to sidechain and using effects.

I know how to sidechain, thanks to you guys, but I am wondering what are good ways to add effects to you bass, especially getting fat hard trance sound.

Lately I have been using the Guitar Hardcore pedals in Fl Studio to get my effects, because they have more control, but is there a better way?

Like purchasing plug ins and effects? Or doing both is your best option to get maximum customization?

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cryophonik
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Re: Getting a fat bass for sidechain using effects..

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...especially getting fat hard trance sound.


Drive the filters hard. Adding a little distortion/overdrive will fatten up your low end, too.


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sptek
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yeah dist always works. just dist on a seperate channel, and bandpass / eq to make it use an area your bass aint using so much, and layer it in at low level

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starwolf5064
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Re: Re: Getting a fat bass for sidechain using effects..

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Drive the filters hard. Adding a little distortion/overdrive will fatten up your low end, too.


So basically use the Guitar Hardcore pedals in FL Studio for distortion/overdrive? And use filters to change it up?

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you baser.


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starwolf5064
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yeah dist always works. just dist on a seperate channel, and bandpass / eq to make it use an area your bass aint using so much, and layer it in at low level


So use a ghost channel for effect and sidechain it to the bass?

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start with a good source first - then a nice bit of chorus can help fatten it up along with some distortion/saturation


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Re: Re: Re: Getting a fat bass for sidechain using effects..

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So basically use the Guitar Hardcore pedals in FL Studio for distortion/overdrive? And use filters to change it up?


Try pushing it hard through the filters at the source first, as evo8 suggested. If you look at your synth's filter section, does it have a drive, saturation, or filter input level? If so, push those up until it starts to overdrive the filter and you should hear some instant fattening. Try tweaking the filter cutoff and resonance a bit to find the sweet spot. You may have to bring down the synth's output to compensate, though.

Which synth(s) are you using?


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Re: Re: Re: Re: Getting a fat bass for sidechain using effects..

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Try pushing it hard through the filters at the source first, as evo8 suggested. If you look at your synth's filter section, does it have a drive, saturation, or filter input level? If so, push those up until it starts to overdrive the filter and you should hear some instant fattening. Try tweaking the filter cutoff and resonance a bit to find the sweet spot. You may have to bring down the synth's output to compensate, though.

Which synth(s) are you using?


The ones in Fl Studio. I use sythns/leads.

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sptek
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So use a ghost channel for effect and sidechain it to the bass?



no, we might be talking about different things. im talking about making your bass sound a bit fuller. nothing to do with sc.

the bass should be reacting to the kick signal, so it doesnt matter what the bass sounds like

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no, we might be talking about different things. im talking about making your bass sound a bit fuller. nothing to do with sc.

the bass should be reacting to the kick signal, so it doesnt matter what the bass sounds like


How would I add distortion effect or any effect to a different channel and have it applied to the bass?

Most of the time when I use Guitar Hardcore effects in Fl Studio it usually sounds like a guitar.

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sptek
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really, this is the sort of thing you should be working out yourself, but ok.

FL sends are hard routed to the master, so dont use those. in fact, dont use those for anything lol.

so lets say your bass is going into mixer channel and the channel is called "bass" well rename that to "bass in"

now create 2 new mixer tracks to the left of it, so you have 3 tracks

name them like this, left to right:
bass mix
bass fx
bass in

now, by using the little orange arrow under the mixer track faders, you route them like this:
bass in --> bass fx
bass in --> bass mix (yep, "bass in" is routed to both of these)

bass fx --> bass mix

bass mix can be routed wherever you want. this is your new main bass mixer track. just be sure to check that bass mix is the only track going to anywhere else, so you'll need to select the other 2 and make sure they're not going to the master.
your synth should be going into Bass and then gets split before going to Bass mix, so now you just have to select Bass fx add an eq (or bandpass filter) and distortion. another good combo for this track, is eq and reverb, gated with love philter, but thats more for rumbling sub bass stuff


i reckon you should get love philter on bass mix, though, as it can be used to make quick sidechain effects, using its volume env. that'll let you try out different curves, without messing about with a comp.

oh yeah, and your sc should be happening on bass mix

thats the technique you'll probs be using a lot when you get more into it. even for things like routing hihats and the top end of clap /snare etc

hope that helps

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