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Posted by Groundhog Boy on Oct-18-2006 17:32:

I'm getting near the end of "What's the Matter with Kansas" by Thomas Frank. Coming from Western Pa., I experienced some level of this same sort of mentality there, though it seems more prevalent and stronger in Kansas (and I'm assuming a lot more Midwest states). I think it actually would be a good read for open minded conservatives to see how their party is actually working against them in a lot of ways while promising things it'll never achieve, like outlawing abortion and evolution.

Only negative I can say is that sometimes he's a little too anecdotal, giving us too many details that really aren't needed to support his conclusions.

Posted by Magnetonium on Oct-18-2006 21:26:

I don't know if it has been posted here, but probably not - if there's one book I can ever recommend someone to read, about anything, its

Last Hours Of Ancient Sunlight


Thom Hartmann

Its about all the issues surrounding us humans today - environmental issues, political, health, science, economy, and it has a very nice background on human history and geology that takes everything into perspective. An absolute must read. I read it 3 times already. Available for cheap as paperback on / .com probably too. This is not a conspiracy book, by the way - all this information is referenced - this is more of a big summary of current and recent events on the planet, and the crucial aspects of it with background info. Very very interesting. Thom Hartmann overall writes very nice EASY TO UNDERSTAND book. Smooth, flowing language.

Posted by shaolin_Z on Nov-09-2006 12:55:

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis by Lenni Brenner

From Wikipedia:

Lenni Brenner (born 1937) is an American Marxist historian. In the 1960s, Brenner was a prominent civil rights activist and a prominent opponent of the Vietnam War.

Brenner was born into an Orthodox Jewish family. He became an atheist at age 12 and a Marxist at age 15. Brenner's involvement with the American Civil Rights Movement began when he met James Farmer of the Congress of Racial Equality, later the organizer of the "freedom rides" of the early 1960s. He also worked with Bayard Rustin, later the organizer of Martin Luther King's 1963 "I had a dream" March on Washington. (Neither were Marxists.)

Brenner was arrested three times during civil rights sit-ins in the San Francisco Bay Area. He spent 39 months in jail when a court revoked his probation for marijuana possession, because of his activities during the Berkeley Free Speech Movement at the University of California in 1964.

He was an anti-war activist from the first days of the Vietnam war, speaking frequently at rallies in the Bay Area. In 1963 he organized the Committee for Narcotic Reform in Berkeley. In 1968 he co-founded the National Association for Irish Justice, the American affiliate of the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association.

In the 1990s, he and Kwame Ture (aka Stokely Carmichael), the legendary "Black Power" leader of the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee, co-founded the Committee against Zionism and Racism. They also published The Anti-War Activist.

A Review from Amazon:

243 of 300 people found the following review helpful:

Rating: 5 Stars

Lenni Brenner is a Courageous Speaker of the Truth, October 11, 2003
Reviewer: William Hughes (Baltimore, MD USA)

History can be deceptive. It's fair to say that some of the sensational never-published-before documents, in this book, will shock those who have accepted Zionism and its supposed history, at face value, as a political movement that was the hope of the Jews. Lenni Brenner, the intrepid author of "Zionism in the Age of Dictators," reveals disturbing new evidence in his latest effort, that suggest just the opposite. In fact, he makes a compelling case that the Zionist record was "dishonorable." You can consider this excellent tome as a worthy sequel to his first expose' on the myopic Zionist zealots of that bygone era.

For openers, Brenner showed how the Zionists had a long history of shameless cooperation with the Nazis, especially after the dictator Adolph Hitler had came to power in 1933. The Zionists were also in bed, to some extent, with the other members of what later became known as WWII's "Axis of Evil," that included Benito Mussolini's Italy, and Tojo Hideki's Japan. For example, in March 29,1936, Zionists praised Il Duce, and his regime, at the opening of a maritime school, funded by the Fascist government, at Civitavecchia. This is where a Zionist youth group, the "Betar," trained its sailors for the future Revisionist state. The speakers ignored the fact that on Oct. 3, 1935, Italian troops had invaded Abyssinia.

On another front, the "Third Congress of the Jewish Community of the Far East," was held in Jan., 1940, in Harbin, Manchuria, then reeling under a brutal military occupation by the Japanese imperial forces. At that time, too, Tokyo was already aligned with Hitler and Italy's Mussolini, in the notorious Anti-Comintern Pact. Also, keep in mind, that the Japanese's murderous "Rape of Nanking," had occurred in Dec., 1937, and the "Crystal Night" incident on Nov. 9, 1938. Nevertheless, the Zionist confab went out of its way to legitimize the Japanese occupation by certifying it as a guarantor of the "equality of all citizens," in that beleaguered land.

The Zionist also had a trade plan with the Berlin government by which German Jews could redeem their property in Nazi goods exported to then British-occupied Palestine. And to top it all off, the infamous SS-Hptscharf. Adolf Eichmann, had visited Palestine, in October, 1937, as the guest of the Zionists. He also met, in Egypt, with Feivel Polkes, a Zionist operative, whom Eichmann described as a "leading Haganah functionary." The chain-smoking Polkes was also on the Nazis' payroll "as an informer."

Brenner isn't the first writer to address the mostly taboo subject of how the Zionist leadership cooperated with the Nazis. Rolf Hilberg's seminal "The Destruction of European Jews"; Hannah Arendt's "Eichmann in Jerusalem"; Ben Hecht's "Perfidy"; Edwin Black's "The Transfer Agreement"; Francis R. Nicosia's "The Third Reich and the Palestine Question"; Rudolf Vrba and Alan Bestic's "I Cannot Forgive"; and Rafael Medoff's "The Deadening Silence: American Jews and the Holocaust," also dared, with varying public success.

After the Holocaust began in 1942, Eichmann dealt regularly with Dr. Rudolf Kastner, a Hungarian Jew, whom he considered a "fanatical Zionist." Kastner was later assassinated in Israel as a Nazi collaborator. At issue then, however, was the bargaining over the eventual fate of Hungary's Jews, who were slated for liquidation in the Nazi-run death camps. Eichmann said this about Kastner, the Zionist representative, "I believe that [he] would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal. He was not interested in old Jews or those who had become assimilated into Hungarian society. `You can have the others,' he would say, `but let me have this group here.' And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful. I would let his groups escape."

Readers, too, will be surprised to learn, that after the Nuremberg Anti-Jewish Race Laws were enacted in Sept., 1935, that there were only two flags that were permitted to be displayed in all of Nazi Germany. One was Hitler's favorite, the Swastika. The other was the blue and white banner of Zionism. The Zionists were also allowed to publish their own newspaper. The reasons for this Reich-sponsored favoritism was, according to the author: The Zionists and the Nazis had a common interest, making German Jews emigrate to Palestine.

As early as June 21, 1933, the German Zionist Federation was sending a secret memorandum to the Nazis, which said, in part:

"It is our opinion that an answer to the Jewish question truly satisfying to the national state [German Reich] can be brought about only with the collaboration of the Jewish movement that aims as a social, cultural and moral renewal of Jewry- -indeed, that such a national renewal must first create the decisive social and spiritual premises for all solutions..."

Incredibly, Avraham Stern, the leader of the notorious "Stern Gang," late in 1940, made a written proposal to Hitler, by which the Jewish militias in Palestine, would fight on "Germany's side," in the war against England, in exchange for the Nazis help in resolving the "Jewish Question" in Europe, and their assistance in creating an "historic Jewish state." By this date, German troops had already marched into Prague, invaded Poland, and had built the first concentration camp at Auschwitz. The deranged Stern had further bragged about how the Zionist organizations were "closely related to the totalitarian movements of Europe in [their] ideology and structure." Stern's obscene proposal was found in the German embassy, in Turkey, after WWII.

Finally, I think Brenner was right, when he wrote, "This book presents 51 historic documents to indict Zionism for repeated attempts to collaborate with Adolf Hitler. The evidence, not I, will convince you of the truth of this issue...Exposing the Zionist role in the Nazis era is part of the scrutiny of the past, required of historians."

Posted by Dj Tomer on Nov-14-2006 06:33:

Richard Dawkins - The God Delusion

Everyone should read this book.

Posted by Omega_M on Jan-12-2007 17:26:

Let me add a few recommendations of my own

Shadows of the Mind: A Search for the Missing Science of Consciousness - by Roger Penrose.

Roger Penrose is one of the most brilliant mathematical physicist of this century. In this book, he argues that we are missing out on explaining consciousness in physical terms and delves into this subject matter. Especially he argures that AI and computers cannot replicate consciousness however sophisticated the technology becomes. This book has a lot of general physics, so dunno if everybody would like to read it. But a very interesting book for those who are interested.

American Prometheus: The Triumph and Tragedy of J. Robert Oppenheimer - by Kai Bird & Martin J. Sherwin.

A brilliant biography of Oppenheimer. Takes you inside the Los Alamos project, his confrontation with the law makers, his fall from grace, the world war politics. Very good book.

Another book I've read on this topic:

109 East Palace: Robert Oppenheimer and the Secret City of Los Alamos - Jennet Connant.

This book delves into the social aspects of living on top of an isolated mountain in the secret Los Alamos city. Quite interesting.

Some other books that I can think of right now:

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich - William Shirer
Brief History of Time - Stephan Hawking
Tuesdays With Morrie - Mitch Albom
Mother - Maxim Gorky
Journey to the Center of the Earth - Jules Verne.

P.G Wodehouse. My favorite humor writer.
Richard Feynman : His non technical books are hilarious.
Richmal Crompton - I've read a lot of "Williams" stories in my childhood. Outrageously funny.

I also read a lot on Hindu philosophy. But I won't list the books because most of them are not in English. However, the thoughts of a brilliant Hindu monk have been documented and are available online for reading. They are a source of learning for many thinkers.

Complete Works of Vivekananda

Posted by CranberryJuice on Jan-14-2007 08:53:

Originally posted by Chris T. Dot
Confessions of An Economic Hitman by John Perkins

Spectacular book on the life of John Perkins, working as an economic forecaster in the last 60s and 70s, and how he was involved in helping secure American economic interests while enslaving and bringing misery to millions of people and third world nations. He outlines how American economic forecasting companies such as MAIN, the one he worked for, would go into a 3rd world country, inflate numbers on the returns creditors would get from investing in infrastrature in the country(which would justify the World Bank and other agencies to lend billions), how these loans would always be way too much so that the country wouldn't be able to repay the loan and be indebted forever, making the country poorer, etc.

Powerful book that exposes how the world's corporatacracy works and how the American economic empire was built. A book 20 years in the making, well worth the read.

i think imma get it it sounds interesting

Posted by biznology on Jan-26-2007 09:56:

The Utility of Force, by Rupert Smith

Posted by music_flick on Jan-29-2007 06:55:

Nietschze and his philosophies. for a time it made sense to me but not anymore.

Posted by MrSquirrel on Feb-10-2007 13:38:

Illium and Olympos by Dan Simmons.

Very interesting and cerebral mix of futuristic science fiction and interactions between characters and comments from classical literature.

Like his Hyperion series, it brings up interesting viewpoints on the future manifestations of humanity if we continue to follow current trends.


Posted by Omega_M on Jun-19-2007 01:23:

Originally posted by biznology
The Utility of Force, by Rupert Smith

I just read that book. Checked it out from the school library. Very nice

Posted by Krypton on Aug-28-2007 02:11:

Just got this in the mail. I'm gonna really see what's behind the failures of this administration policies.

This book will explore the administration from the view of Paul O'Niel the former Treasury Secretary to Bush. I'm excited to read it.


Excerpts from The Price of Loyalty:

This book recounts the tenure of Paul O'Neill as Treasury Secretary under Bush for the first 3 years of the administration...


It was the afternoon of Wednesday, January 24, the third day of the Bush administration...

O'Neill, as Treasury Secretary, institutionally designated to be the President's leading voice on the economy, offered a fifteen-minute overview on what he considered the informed opinion (that is, his and Greenspan's) and said that they were in the early stages of either an apparently mild recession or a pronounced inventory correction. The key was to remain sober. To watch the numbers. If we look concerned and talk up recession too much, he said, it will depress spending and encourage a downturn. O'Neill explained that the major problem was not the "encumbrances on capital" -- there was plenty of low-cost capital out there, unable to find a profitable home. The problem was on the consumption side. The real numbers, he assured the President, did not support the bleakness of some "economic theorists".

(It was these theorists such as Larry Lindsay who helped push the Bush tax cuts of $1.6 trillion. Remember, we had a $5 trillion dollar SURPLUS left over after the Clinton administration, so in 2000, Bush's people were trying to figure out what to do with it all.)

O'Neill referred to items of his memo. Marginal rate cuts, if they were affordable, should be the priority. He said the tax cut plan, under almost any permutation thus far proposed, wouldn't provide measurable stimulus in the short-term; what would create positive economic effects is "a sense that fiscal discipline has been preserved"--something that should boost equities markets (during the tech bubble crash) and keep long-term bond rates in check. All that left the economy well suited to respond to a rate cut from the Fed.

There were a dozen questions that O'Neill had expected Bush to ask. He was ready with the answers. How large did O'Neill consider the surplus, and how real? How might the tax cut be structured? What about reforming Social Security and Medicare, the budget busters? How will we know if the economy has turned?

Bush didn't ask anything. He looked at O'Neill, not changing his expression, not letting on that he had any reactions--either positive or negative.

O'Neill decided therefore to move from the economy to a related matter. Steel tariffs. If was a simmering issue--the US steel industry was hurting and pushing for protections...

The President said nothing. No change in expression. Next subject.

Certainly, each president's style is different. But O'Neill has a basis for comparisn. Nixon, Ford, Bush 41, and Clinton, with whom he had visited four or five times during the nineties for long sessions on policy matters. In each case, he's arrived prepared to mix it up, ready for engagement. You'de has it out. that was what he was known for. It was the reason you got called to the office. You met with the President to answer questions.

"I wondered, from the first, if the President didn't know the questions to ask," O'Neill recalled, "or did he know and just not want to know the answers? Or did his strategy somehow involve never showing what he thought? But you can ask questions, gather information, and not necessarily show your hand. It was strange."


Excerpt 2:

The package of tax proposals, led by the 50 percent cut in the individual tax on dividends, had been all but buried before the midterm elections; it came up infrequently and always in the past tense--what George W. Bush wanted to do bu couldn't afford.

But after the Republicans won the midterms, O'Neill could sense a change in the White House, a smugness, a sureness. Now Cheney brought up the tax proposals again, how they would provide stimulus...

O'Neill jumped in, arguing sharply how the government was "moving toward a fiscal crisis" and "what rising deficits would mean to our economic soundness."

Cheney cut him off.

"Reagan proved deficits don't matter," Cheney said.

O'Neill shook his head, hardly believing that Cheney--whom he and Greenspan has known since Dick was a kid--could say such a thing.

He was speechless. Cheney moved to fill the void. "We won the midterms," he said. "This is our due."


Posted by Magnetonium on Sep-04-2007 01:20:

Dam ... I just finished reading that Confessions of An Economic Hitman by John Perkins book, and its the best dam book I've read in the past 2 years ... and I've read a lot of books in that span. Highly recommended!

Posted by Krypton on Sep-04-2007 01:29:

Originally posted by Magnetonium

Dam ... I just finished reading that Confessions of An Economic Hitman by John Perkins book, and its the best dam book I've read in the past 2 years ... and I've read a lot of books in that span. Highly recommended!

What's it about.

Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Sep-25-2007 07:13:

I just finished Vijay Prashad's "The Darker Nations: A People's History of the Third World" and it is fantastic. An insane amount of detail for a political historiography on a topic few people know anything about. From the conferences in Berlin and Bandung to the present, it details the history of the post-colonial non-aligned movement, and discusses the ability of the so-called third world to develop on its own trajectory.

Posted by atbell on Sep-29-2007 11:35:

The books I've read recently include:

Confessions of an Economic Hit man - as mentioned above anyone who's interested in international relations should read this. I finished it over a weekend.

Leviathan, Thomas Hobbes - A daunting 500 pages. It's worth reading his second chapter about civil society but the other three (of man, of civil christian society, of dark society) are long, dull, and over the top religious at times.

The Nature of Economics, Jane Jacobs - She's a great author. I really liked her book "Dark Age Ahead" but this one didn't measure up. Part of the problem was that she esentially took a collection of essays and tried to frame them as an extended conversation between friends. Some good ideas and it was easy to read.

On Liberty, John Stewart Mills - This has been really good so far, I'm only about half done.

Posted by infinity HiGH on Nov-01-2007 23:51:

Originally posted by Krypton
What's it about.

Posted by Renegade on Nov-28-2007 16:40:

Not sure if how many people are already familiar with the site "Library Thing" but I'll mention it here anyway. It's basically just a site that lets you catalogue all the books you own / have read and you can search for recommendations based on the books in your catalogue etc.

Tried starting a group, but doesn't seem to want to work. Maybe you guys will have better luck with it than I am:

And here's my profile if anyone cares:

Posted by tathi on Feb-28-2008 05:01:

i don´t have time to list all my books, i dont have time to read all my books, i have a bad habit of going into bookstores and buying books that i wont read until two years down the track hah

just finished Lost over Laos which is the incredibly moving true story of the four greatest war photojournalists in the vietnam war, their lives, their work, and their deaths when a chopper carrying the four of them was shot down over Laos. 5/5

Now reading The Long Emergency - Surviving the Converging Catastrophies of the 21st Century only half way through and my god its eye opening...

Posted by tathi on Feb-28-2008 05:04:

Originally posted by atbell
The books I've read recently include:

Confessions of an Economic Hit man - as mentioned above anyone who's interested in international relations should read this. I finished it over a weekend.

ive heard really good things about that book, and also read an interesting interview on the author, having lived in Ecuador i know that many things that he´s talked about are true.

Posted by Trancer-X on Apr-01-2008 04:30:

The Secret History of the World and How to Get Out Alive

From Amazon:

If you heard the Truth, would you believe it? Ancient civilizations. Hyperdimensional realities. DNA changes. Bible conspiracies. What are the realities? What is disinformation? The Secret History of The World and How To Get Out Alive is the definitive book of the real answers where Truth is more fantastic than fiction. Laura Knight-Jadczyk, wife of internationally known theoretical physicist, Arkadiusz Jadczyk, an expert in hyperdimensional physics, draws on science and mysticism to pierce the veil of reality. Due to the many threats on her life from agents and agencies known and unknown, Laura left the United States to live in France, where she is working closely with Patrick Rivière, student of Eugene Canseliet, the only disciple of the legendary alchemist Fulcanelli. To this day, Laura continues to undergo ad-hominem attacks on her web pages, her blog and even as faux book 'reviews' on book seller websites, by those threatened by the information she reveals in this definitive work. Yet, with sparkling humour and wisdom, she picks up where Fulcanelli left off, sharing over thirty years of research to reveal, for the first time, The Great Work and the esoteric Science of the Ancients in terms accessible to scholar and layperson alike.

Posted by Q5echo on Apr-01-2008 06:18:

Originally posted by Trancer-X
You're posting in the wrong thread, Q

i'm a goober. thanx.

Posted by Trancer-X on Apr-02-2008 11:35:

The Golden Bough by Sir James George Frazer

Posted by Trancer-X on Apr-02-2008 11:55:

Traces of a Hidden Tradition in Masonry and Medieval Mysticism by Isabel Cooper-Oakley

The Hidden Church of the Holy Graal by Arthur Edward Waite


The Nag Hammadi Library's

The Gospel of Truth

As translated by Robert M. Grant

Posted by Lira on Apr-06-2008 08:08:

Originally posted by atbell
On Liberty, John Stuart Mill - This has been really good so far, I'm only about half done.

Fixed. That's an amazing book.

If you like philosophy of science, I recommend "Against Method" by Paul Feyerabend. He was deeply inspired by this book

Posted by Lira on Apr-06-2008 08:14:

Originally posted by Renegade
Not sure if how many people are already familiar with the site "Library Thing" but I'll mention it here anyway. It's basically just a site that lets you catalogue all the books you own / have read and you can search for recommendations based on the books in your catalogue etc.

Tried starting a group, but doesn't seem to want to work. Maybe you guys will have better luck with it than I am:

And here's my profile if anyone cares:

I've just signed up:

There's nothing in there yet... I'll add some books later

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