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Posted by Trancer-X on Jan-19-2006 16:12:

quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Cool, let me know what you think.



Agreed.


I watched all three parts the other night. I was very impressed! Given my original Christian upbringing, my knowledge was devoid of most of that Muslim history.

I was very impressed by the vast and rich history which that documentary covered, as well as the fact that the European Renaissance was so greatly inspired by Muslim science and knowledge - something which I don't think I had ever really learned in school.


Posted by St_Andrew on Jan-19-2006 17:06:

Where did you download it from?


Posted by Trancer-X on Jan-19-2006 17:10:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
Where did you download it from?


http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=empire+faith


Posted by St_Andrew on Jan-19-2006 17:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Trancer-X
http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=empire+faith


Thanks man


Posted by Trancer-X on Jan-19-2006 17:16:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
Thanks man


No problemo!


Posted by Trancer-X on Jan-21-2006 09:12:

Friedrich von Hayek - The Road to Serfdom



quote:
When the course of civilization takes an unexpected turn—when, instead of the continuous progress which we have come to expect, we find ourselves threatened by evils associated by us with past ages of barbarism—we naturally blame anything but ourselves. Have we not all striven according to our best lights, and have not many of our finest minds incessantly worked to make this a better world? Have not all our efforts and hopes been directed toward greater freedom, justice, and prosperity?

If the outcome is so different from our aims—if, instead of freedom and prosperity, bondage and misery stare us in the face—is it not clear that sinister forces must have foiled our intentions, that we are the victims of some evil power which must be conquered before we can resume the road to better things?

However much we may differ when we name the culprit—whether it is the wicked capitalist or the vicious spirit of a particular nation, the stupidity of our elders, or a social system not yet, although we have struggled against it for a half a century, fully overthrown—we all are, or at least were until recently, certain of one thing: that the leading ideas which during the last generation have become common to most people of good will and have determined the major changes in our social life cannot have been wrong.

We are ready to accept almost any explanation of the present crisis of our civilization except one: that the present state of the world may be the result of genuine error on our own part and that the pursuit of some of our most cherished ideals has apparently produced results utterly different from those which we expected....




It was even translated into a cartoon for you simple folks:











Posted by occrider on Jan-22-2006 04:34:

Sounds intersting, I'll see if I can fit it in between my studying. I haven't been keeping abreast with the latest economic theories, literature, and analyst as of late (asides from my subscription to the economist), although I suppose I should do so once again if I'm going to proceed with a masters in the subject.


Posted by Trancer-X on Jan-22-2006 08:31:

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
Sounds intersting, I'll see if I can fit it in between my studying. I haven't been keeping abreast with the latest economic theories, literature, and analyst as of late (asides from my subscription to the economist), although I suppose I should do so once again if I'm going to proceed with a masters in the subject.


Well, if you're looking for the latest economic theories don't get your hopes up. He wrote that book in 1944.


Posted by occrider on Jan-24-2006 07:41:

Just watched Grizzly Man the other day. It's a documentary about the life and tragic demise of Timothy Treadwell. A rather ... interesting lunatic. He was a recovering drug addict/alcoholic who "found" himself by travelling to Alaskan bear country and living among the grizzly bears. He engaged in certain acts that could be universally considered as stupid (eg. touching the bears) which ultimately lead to his downfall. He did this for some 13 seasons until he was attacked, mauled, and eaten by grizzly bears on his last trip. The film pretty much consists of his actual video (he documented every trip) supplemented with commentary from people who were close to him or those providing post-mortem insight.

At first, you just regard him as a stupid hippy who deserved his fate. After some time, however, you begin to regard him with pity and sympathize with his psychosis. He's clearly a troubled individual desperately trying to plug the holes in his life with this obsessive hobby. It's quite clear that towards the end of the documentary Tim Treadwell has just two companions in his life: The bears he so desperatly tries to bond with and his camera. Anyway, I thought it rather introspective and a fascinating slice of life.


Posted by George Smiley on Jan-25-2006 00:15:

Well, this time tomorrow I'll be in Washington DC!!

(can anyone think of any funny questions to ask if we go on a tour of the Whitehouse, Pentagon or FBI building?!?!)


Posted by George Smiley on Jan-25-2006 00:17:

This isn't the chill out thread is it?


Posted by DJ Kenosis on Jan-27-2006 03:21:

Douglas Hofstader - Godel, Escher & Bach


Posted by d-miurge on Jan-30-2006 19:30:

I read another time A Study of History of Arnold Toynbee.
quote:
Genesis

He argues that "self-determining" civilizations are born (out of more primitive societies), not due to racial or environmental factors, but as a response to challenges, such as hard country, new ground, blows and pressures from other civilizations, and penalizations. He argues that for civilizations to be born, the challenge must be a golden mean; that excessive challenge will crush the civilization, and too little challenge will cause it to stagnate.

He argues that civilizations continue to grow only when they meet one challenge only to be met by another. In 1939 Toynbee wrote 'the challenge of being called upon to create a political world-order, the framework for an economic world-order...now confronts our Modern Western society' [1]. He argues that civilizations develop in different ways due to their different environment and different approaches to the challenges they face. He argues that growth is driven by "Creative Minorities," find solutions to the challenges, which others then follow by example, called mimesis, i.e. mimeing.


Decay

He argues that the breakdown of civilizations is not caused by loss of control over the environment, over the human environment, or attacks from outside. Rather, it comes from the deterioration of the "Creative Minority," which eventually ceases to be creative and degenerates into merely a "Dominant Minority" (who forces the majority to obey without meriting obedience). He argues that creative minorities deteriorate due to a worship of their "former self," by which they become prideful, and fail to adequately address the next challenge they face.


Universal State

He argues that the ultimate sign a civilization has broken down is when the dominant minority forms a "Universal State," which stifles political creativity. He states:

First the Dominant Minority attempts to hold by force—against all right and reason—a position of inherited privilege which it has ceased to merit; and then the Proletariat repays injustice with resentment, fear with hate, and violence with violence when it executes its acts of secession. Yet the whole movement ends in positive acts of creation—and this on the part of all the actors in the tragedy of disintegration. The Dominant Minority creates a universal state, the Internal Proletariat a universal church, and the External Proletariat a bevy of barbarian war-bands.

("Barbarian war-bands" are arguably what we today might call "terrorist groups".)

He argues that, as civilizations decay, they form an "Internal Proletariat" and an "External Proletariat." The Internal protelariat is held in subjugation by the dominant minority inside the civilization, and grows bitter; the external proletariat exists outside the civilization in poverty and chaos, and grows envious. He argues that as civilizations decay, there is a "schism in the body social," whereby:

* abandon and self-control together replace creativity, and
* truancy and martyrdom together replace discipleship by the creative minority.

He argues that in this environment, people resort to archaism (idealization of the past), futurism (idealization of the future), detachment (removal of oneself from the realities of a decaying world), and transcendence (meeting the challenges of the decaying civilization with new insight, as a Prophet). He argues that those who Transcend during a period of social decay give birth to a new Church with new and stronger spiritual insights, around which a subsequent civilization may begin to form after the old has died.

Toynbee's use of the word 'church' refers to the collective spiritual bond of a common worship, or the same unity found in some kind of social order.


Predictions

It remains to be seen what will come of the four remaining civilizations of the 21st century: Western civilization, Islamic society, Hindu society, and the Far East. Toynbee argues two possibilities: they might all merge with Western Civilization, or Western civilization might develop a Universal State after its Time of Troubles, decay, and die.s


source


Posted by girllovingtvibe on Feb-14-2006 20:20:

The Culture of Make Believe
Derrick Jensen

a completely interesting read....


Posted by washout on Feb-18-2006 22:03:

just got done reading dogs of god, james reston.
less about spanish inquisition, more about spain vs moors.
good bit about columbus and his shit.
not a bad read i guess.
picked up the terror, david andress.
french revolution bullshit, one of my favorite subjects.


Posted by Psy-T on Feb-19-2006 19:41:

Thumbs up

I just read Plato's Crito

One of my favorite dialogues so far, excellent writing, and beautiful arguements conjured by Socrates.

Critos on Project Gutenberg


Posted by washout on Feb-20-2006 03:17:

anyone read the world is flat ??
author i dont know.


Posted by d-miurge on Feb-20-2006 09:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Psy-T
I just read Plato's Crito

One of my favorite dialogues so far, excellent writing, and beautiful arguements conjured by Socrates.

Critos on Project Gutenberg


I hate Plato! Nietzsche is much better imo.


Posted by Psy-T on Feb-20-2006 10:01:

quote:
Originally posted by d-miurge
I hate Plato! Nietzsche is much better imo.


i'm reading works of philosophy chronologically, i'll get to him too.
though i have skimmed through a lot of works in the past, i've never really properly read them untill recently.


Posted by Marc Summers on Feb-25-2006 17:13:

I have a couple of recommendations:

1. The Clash of Fundamentalisms: Crusades, Jihads and Modernity by Tariq Ali

2. Origins of Terrorism: Psychologies, Ideologies, Theologies, States of Mind by Walter Laquer


Posted by DaveSZ on Mar-11-2006 00:24:

I've been reading a book by Bob Woodward about the infamous Deep Throat - Mark Felt.

If you’re into politics at all, you will find this book fascinating.

In one section Felt describes how the FBI had bugged Martin Luther King's hotel rooms, and that section was particularly humorous because it details how King had a constant string of White women coming to his hotel room (basically throwing themselves at him) for orgies.

I guess King practiced what he preached about White and Black unity.

:chuckle:

Anyways, the book is called The Secret Man by Bob Woodward.

I also recommend a great book on the science of sexual selection called The Mating Mind : How Sexual Choice Shaped the Evolution of Human Nature by Geoffrey Miller. Miller, a Stanford PHD, describes his theory that our bodies are simply vehicles built by our genes in order to replicate themselves. After you read his book, you are made more aware of how many human behaviors that may seem strange are simply related to mating.

It's a great book and I highly recommend it, but a note of caution: If you're a religious nut it will probably be blasphemy to you and your head may explode.



Dave


Posted by Kapedano on Mar-14-2006 03:22:

I dont know if you guys have mentioned this book, but its by Napoleon Hill and its called "Think & Grow Rich". Quite a nice book, of course im saying that because im a capitalist and all about getting rich etc etc, but on the side, its a great book.


Posted by Ang ' ela_ie on Mar-14-2006 03:45:

Right now Im reading Are Men Necessary. Its not really "political," in the PDD definition, but Dowd raises some really excellent points, even though she's usually not taken seriously.


Posted by DaveSZ on Mar-15-2006 09:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Kapedan
I dont know if you guys have mentioned this book, but its by Napoleon Hill and its called "Think & Grow Rich". Quite a nice book, of course im saying that because im a capitalist and all about getting rich etc etc, but on the side, its a great book.



I've been meaning to read that one because it applies to many areas of life.


Posted by tathi on Mar-15-2006 11:15:

^^ yeah i own the book, read it twice, can be applied to anything, and i making bucketloads of money is not very high on my todo list. great book


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