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| Originally posted by geroin what does this have to do with anything? i have never once mentioned that i support any US based info/article regarding russian elections, i'm basing it on information that is coming from the country. |
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| Originally posted by geroin lol, are you talking to yourself? i dont speak chinese or whatever the fuck you're trying to type over here. |
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| Originally posted by Sasha lol he is talking to you in Russian |
on that note, I'm getting my visa to Russia and going there for 10 days end of April (no jokes). We'll talk more when i come back 
Not too sure what to say about the subject. I guess happy Putin won because I do respect and like the guy, hopefully he attempts to bring the country more forward from here and more towards a democracy, or at least more reforms and less corruption. Whether or not that happens who knows..
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/09/o...days-of-stalin/
There is not a single doubt that Putin won those elections with the most votes. He is without a doubt most popular and most liked politician in Russia, hands down. However, the question is - was the vote fair, transparent and were the Russian people properly represented at the elections?
First - judging by the exit poll numbers and the data from various polling agencies and NGO's, Putin won with about 51% of the vote (on average). However, officially he won with 60-something percent of the vote. Surely there were instances of ballot stuffing, carousel voting and irregularities. And that happened not because Putin ordered it, but because of endemic corruption that Russia is in. Let's look at that more closely.
For example - In Chechnya, Putin won with 99% of the total votes cast. Most definitely a falsified statistic. Then again, look more closely - Chechnya is ruled by an eccentric autocrat who does what he wishes, has been accused of serious crimes and being a close Putin ally he does what he wants and anyone who dares to question him gets killed. Kremlin turns a blind eye, as long as Chechnya is part of Russian Federation.
In other instances, there was pressure from the higher-ups to deliver good results in big cities such as Moscow. There are several documented instances of carousel voting that intended to give more votes to Putin from list of registered voters who were considered to be least likely to show up and vote.
One thing for sure - Putin has strong support in rural areas of the country, where is viewed as a competent leader who brings stability and helps people out, while most of the opposition is in big cities such as Moscow and Nizhniy Novgorod. Exit polls indicate that majority of Muscovites did not vote for Putin.
The biggest issue in my opinion is that these elections were very flawed. Many opposition leaders were not represented at the elections. This is due to bureaucracy and the fact that several opposition leaders were denied the right to form parties or be represented at the presidential elections due to convenient technicalities and difficult application procedures (for example - as one of many countless requirements, a presidential candidate must have at least 200,000 signatures in order to run, which is ridiculous in my opinion). So basically the electorate system is flawed.
Most of mainstream media is owned directly or indirectly by Kremlin or state-owned institutions. Pro-Putin coverage heavily outweighs other candidates, criticism of Putin in media and TV has resulted in some recent high-profile sackings and firings of journalists, CEO's and media spokespeople. In other words - these elections were flawed from the beginning.
At least two of the presidential candidates were pro-Putin and were likely running to steal votes from anti-Putin opponents and thus guarantee a first-round victory (Prokhorov and Zhirinovsky). The only significant cadidate other than Putin was a leader of the Russian Communist party, who got something like 18% of the vote. He finished second, for Christ's sake.
To conclude - yes, Putin won the elections, but Russian people were not properly represented as key liberal parties were denied the right to run in the elections. Besides that - recently the government made it more difficult for parties to qualify for parliament, ensuring that the same 3-4 parties are elections to the Duma every time. Russian political system is extremely flawed with tendencies to autocratic rule, and these elections can be seen nothing more than Putin and his protege Medvedev changing seats (yet again), and Putin himself recently admitted that he decided YEARS AGO to run for president again. So it was already decided long ago, aka Putin the Czar.
The government, media and pro-government business & military interests routinely marginalize, intimidate, and shut down opposition on any basis they can, thus Russia today is nothing more than a Tsardom, with strong cenrtainty that a Putin clan (Medvedev is part of the clan, btw) will run the country for at least another 12 years. Russia is once again stagnating, because the same individuals run the whole country all the way from the top and down to the regional officials, who sit on their fat asses and don't care about the average citizens, because they are guaranteed their jobs and feel like they are not obliged to carry out their duties. Officials are not accountable to anyone, and things only get done when citizens complain to Putin, and only when Putin calls the officials do things get done. Thus corruption is endemic.
Other politicians are never given a chance to develop, which is the biggest problem. Promising politicians are forced to align themselves to main political parties or instead risk having their political aspirations ended by the powerful bureaucracy.
Recent huge protests in Moscow and other big cities, on a scale not seen since 1917, is a clear sign that Putin's popularity is waning and people realize just how much of a joke the elections are.
^^ very good post
Russians are hot. Thats my two cents!
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium |
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| Russia is once again stagnating |
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| for example - as one of many countless requirements, a presidential candidate must have at least 200,000 signatures in order to run, which is ridiculous in my opinion |
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| Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty this is what i dont understand. stagnating?? didnt Russia start prospering under Putin? didnt he used all the natural resources to establish Russia as an economic force once again?? isnt it true that Russian standards of living went up over 200% during his second turn? who would be better president than him? for the Russian people?? less than 1.5 % of the population is too muchb?? what would be fair? 10000? cmon |
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| Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty this is what i dont understand. stagnating?? didnt Russia start prospering under Putin? didnt he used all the natural resources to establish Russia as an economic force once again?? isnt it true that Russian standards of living went up over 200% during his second turn? who would be better president than him? for the Russian people?? |
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| Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty less than 1.5 % of the population is too muchb?? what would be fair? 10000? cmon |
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| Originally posted by Shaya007 serious question here: why aren't you living in Russia? |
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| true. but see, these people are saying that Putin is closing air for the opposition and no one can actually go against him. I think that there is no such person in Russia yet, and everything else is just an excuse |
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| "We know who we are against," TV celebrity Ksenia Sobchak said. "We need to show what we are for." |
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You want to have a cuban citizenship???
I wonder if there were robocalls telling people to go to the wrong ballot boxes?
Those came after the calls asking if the voter intended to vote for Putin, of course!
LOL, polish whining about Putins win... thats how you know he won fair and square !!!
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| You want to have a cuban citizenship??? |
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Xavier, you know me from many other discussions, so you're probably a bit surprised that I am criticizing Putin. I like Russia, I was born there and spent a good portion of my childhood there. Its a beautiful country with rich history and so much interesting things about it. But I am also very well educated and not stupid, I read and understand a lot more than the media feeds us. I lived in Russia and now a proud citizen of Canada, and consider myself Canadian first, Russian second.
After a few years in Canada, I fully understood the magnitude of lies and bullshit that is Russia. It has been run by thieves and crooks (and even more than sometimes: murderers) for centuries, for most of its existence. I think the last time it was run by an honest and great leader was under the reign of Tsar Alexander II. Go figure, he got assassinated. He was the one who freed the serfs. But enough of history here.
The point is, throughout Russian history, politicians and activists came and went to try to reform Russia and make it an honest and civilized country. But that never ever happened, and will probably NEVER happen. Pyotr Stolypin was the last great reformer, before World War I, and ironically he got assassinated by the very people he tried to help. Ironically, today, the same type of Russian political elite he battled against for reform, is trying to steal Stolypin for their own political gains. Plenty of irony in everyday Russia.
Putin is a crook, he has been caught in a massive fraud while during the 90s when he worked in mayor's office in St. Petersburg. Most of the people who tirelessly worked to keep those facts alive are now dead, either by natural causes or assassinated/poisoned.
So many good people have been brutally abused, maimed or murdered or silenced in Russia in recent years. The list is huge, and it's not just the pro-democracy activists or politicians who dare to question the Kremlin. But also - children, teachers, bankers, doctors, lawyers, environmental activists and anyone who dared to speak against the establishment or was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
I used to like Putin, but over the years I learned to realize that he is nothing more than a crook and a Tsar. He is mainly building a legacy of himself for the history books, and the history taught in Russian schools is quite manipulated to say the least. I learned that from experience. Did you know that Putin actually created his current image through much practice and watching videos of himself? Recently I read about how history books in Russia that are used in schools are approved straight from the Kremlin. In fact, Putin took out of circulation the versions that he thought were not patriotic enough, these didn't have the spin that the hierarchy wanted, their vision of the glorious Motherland.
There's something about those Kremlin walls: once you seize power in Russia, the Kremlin spirits take over you and you do not want to relinquish power, under any circumstances. They outta tear it down and maybe then the leaders will see things more clearly. Or else the brain drain will continue.
A demonstration on the eve of Vladimir Putin's inauguration as president
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